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Peak Human - Unbiased Nutrition Info for Optimum Health, Fitness & Living

Nov 5, 2019

Hello, hello beautiful people, how great is it to be alive and well in 2019? I’m Brian Sanders and this is Peak Human where I talk to the leading experts around the world about all things health, food, exercise, food production, and being your best self. 

Today I’m talking with one of my favorite humans ever, you’ll probably get the gist of this as we continually talk about how much we respect each other’s work. Dr. Ted Naiman was the first person I got ahold of 2 years ago when I started making the Food Lies film and has been a great help and inspiration ever since. He was my first guest which has always been a fan favorite episode. I’m glad to have him come back on and talk about a ton of new stuff. Blows the old one away. Who needs it after this one. He’s spent years working on his magnum opus which is the book The P:E Diet which he wrote with William Shewfelt. I felt bad because we didn’t bring up William in this episode. I’ll be interviewing him on the new SAPIEN podcast tomorrow actually, so we’ll get a chance to hear from him soon!

A recap on Dr. Ted - he’s a board-certified Family Medicine physician practicing in the Seattle area. He’s seen about 100,000 patients over the past 20 years and has drawn a lot of conclusions from his observations as well as from the scientific literature. He’s spoken at major health conferences around the world and is basically a genius. Maybe I just feel this because we think the same way - either way, let’s get a few updates out of the way.

The Game Changers DEBUNKED film is moving along at lightning speed. We had a great shoot last week and I’m going to San Diego Wednesday to film with Dr. Paul Saladino, Tim Shieff (the Vegan Prince who dropped out of the Game Changers film), and ex-vegan celeb Alyse Parker. This will premiere on November 27th so please help us finish it by supporting the project at

Food Lies is also in full force. Meeting up with that editing team thursday to work through some of this beautiful footage. That’s also on Indiegogo - please learn more at

And we’re shipping out a lot of grass fed and grass finished meat lately. You can get your own at We do all the organs and bones and everything is raised ethically and sustainably. It’s beyond organic. And our chicken and pork is fed a special feed that makes them very high in Omega 3. We also do this for our turkey which is a new product just in time for Thanksgiving. Nothing like this is sold in stores. They have an unprecedented 2:1 omega 6 to omega 3 ratio. Check them out and all the other delicious meats at

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  • Dr. Ted Naiman is a board-certified Family Medicine physician in the department of Primary Care at a leading major medical center in Seattle. His personal research and medical practice are focused on the practical implementation of diet and exercise for health optimization
  • He has a new book out called “The P:E Diet: Leverage Your Biology To Achieve Optimal Health” go check out his website for more information at 
  • Ted explains how nutrition unfortunately doesn't have any first order science - there is too much religiosity, voodoo, mysticism 
  • He explains what we need to do is to zoom out and look at the bigger picture of nutrition based off of principles like the importance of the ratio of protein, minerals, and energy from carbon-carbon bonds
  • [6:15] Three things we need to accomplish when we eat
  • Foods rich in protein and nutrients seems that we see higher satiety in individuals 
  • Most processed foods that have been stripped of these vital proteins and nutrients have caused us to eat more of these foods while lacking the essential nutrients our bodies need
  • He makes the argument that food choice (in other words what we eat) is the big picture we should focus on rather than how much we eat
  • His thought experiment of if you were stranded on a deserted island with nothing but whole foods (fruits, vegetables, roaming animals, seafood) the likelihood of someone eating excess energy and a diet low in protein and nutrients is very unlikely
  • [18:20] How the cultivation, breeding, and processing of these whole natural foods we find in nature is the reason why we see so many health issues in our society today
  • [19:30] These “empty calories” tend to make us overeat through a “push pull” method
  • [24:45] The importance of a protein-rich diet while keeping energy lower and how it helps create and maintain more lean muscle mass and less fat
  • [26:40] The problem with the general population, especially women, who think because they lift weights and eat protein they will build too much muscle and look “bulky” like a bodybuilder 
  • [29:15] The phenomenon of fat adaptation 
  • How reducing carbohydrate feeding frequency can aid in fat adaptation
  • [32:20] Although Ted is trying to avoid zealotry he explains that it does show in the results that a lower carb/cyclical carb feedings are much more efficient for the average everyday person
  • [35:40] The importance of timing your meals/carbohydrate intake
  • [37:50] Benefits of intermittent fasting and why you should consider it
  • [40:35] Animal foods versus plant foods
  • [46:15] Why eating animal foods “nose-to-tail” is so important and should be implemented in modern diets more often
  • [49:10] Plant based diets are possible but not optimal; there is so much room for error
  • [53:02] Having a larger portion of our diets come from ruminants rather than plant foods makes much more sense, in regards to economy, health, and practicality
  • [1:00:14] The importance of not trying to be so fragile in our diets and being so dogmatic in eating in one way or the other
  • [1:07:30] Running out of subcutaneous fat storage and storing it all in the ectopic and visceral fat (abdominal, pancreas, organs) is what causes insulin resistance
  • [1:09:30] The ability to burn glucose or fat as energy is like a see-saw, it depends on what you have consumed for your body to rely on
  • [1:12:54] Why he prefers low-carb diets over low-fat, even though both have their time and place for effectiveness in weight loss and body recomposition
  • [1:17:40] The Carbohydrate Insulin Hypothesis and why it is false
  • [1:22:09] Intensity is the most important factor for exercise
  • [1:32:45] The use of drop sets and rest-pause sets for driving more intensity in your workouts
  • [1:43:20] Carbohydrates, are they really necessary of high intensity/explosive activities? 


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