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The Church Revitalization Podcast


Aug 12, 2026

Most church leaders trust their gut more than they realize, and that instinct can quietly steer a congregation in the wrong direction. In this episode of the Church Revitalization Podcast, Scott and A.J. walk through the most common pitfalls of gut-driven decision making, explain why anecdotal information is not the same as real data, and offer practical questions leaders can ask to start making better, more informed choices for their churches.

Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are the co-hosts of the Church Revitalization Podcast, produced by the Malphurs Group, a consulting firm that helps churches develop healthy strategies for growth and ministry effectiveness. Scott and A.J. bring a blend of theological grounding and practical church leadership experience to every conversation, making the show a trusted resource for pastors and ministry leaders who want their churches to thrive.

  • [1:08] Why gut feelings can be confirmation bias dressed up as Spirit-led discernment
  • [5:02] Problem 1: Treating anecdotes as data and confusing what is loud with what is true
  • [9:15] Problem 2: Silence in your church is not the same as satisfaction or health
  • [13:59] Questions to test your assumptions about ministry programming and strategy
  • [16:49] Who in your church holds a different view, and have you actually listened to them?

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