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Independent Thinking

Independent Thinking is the new podcast from Chatham House.

Each week our director, Bronwen Maddox, will host conversations with leading policymakers, journalists and our own Chatham House experts to provide insight and depth on the big international questions of the week.

Independent Thinking gives you, the listener, the opportunity to engage with the high-level conversations that the institute hosts, and, for Chatham House members, to ask questions directly to the participants in each episode.

Jul 28, 2023

In the final episode of our first season, we return to the topic we started Season 1 of the podcast with: China and how Beijing sees the world post-February 2022. Since the start of the invasion of Ukraine, Western capitals, especially Washington and London, have been watching ties between Russia and China closely, attempting to decipher any signs of disagreement or even disapproval between Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping. 

We discuss how China views the invasion of Ukraine, the ties between China and Russia and above all how both countries view the EU, NATO, and the transatlantic alliance. 

Joining Bronwen Maddox on the show this week is Yu Jie, a Senior Research Fellow with our Asia-Pacific programme; Samuel Ramani, a tutor of international relations at the University of Oxford and author of the book Putin’s War on Ukraine and Marcin Kaczmarski, a Lecturer in Security Studies at the University of Glasgow.

Read our expertise:

China’s new scientists

How to end Russia’s war on Ukraine

Ukraine is disappointed after the NATO summit – but not discouraged

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Presented by Bronwen Maddox. Produced by John Pollock. Sound by Matthew Docherty and Abdul Boudaif.