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Aug 24, 2022

LEAD HOST: Rev. Michael-Ray Mathews

GUESTS: Reverends Rudy & Juanita Rasmus


Seeing Big Ma on the Mothers’ pew of the church, crying her heart out in grief, gratitude and joy, left an indelible mark on me…as a child I knew something powerful and transformative was happening in the front of the church, on “the...

Aug 10, 2022

LEAD HOST: Rev. Michael-Ray Mathews
GUEST: Rev. angel Kyodo williams, Roshi

Black contemplation and spirituality are a wellspring for the work of individual and social transformation. Drawing from his engagement with Rev. angel Kyodo williams, Roshi’s seminal best-seller, Radical Dharma: Talking Race, Love and...

Jun 20, 2022


LEAD HOST: Rev. Dr. Jacqui Lewis

GUEST: Dante Stewart


Best-selling author and new voice, Dante Stewart, stormed the scene with his personal story. In 2016, he was a rising leader at his predominantly white evangelical church. But then came Donald Trump and Dante quickly...

May 20, 2022

Join The FOUR in an absolutely hilarious few minutes down memory lane and those basement parties of yore. (You know the ones...and if you don't, you've really got to give this a listen!)


May 13, 2022

LEAD HOST: Lisa Sharon Harper
GUEST: Kristin Kobes Du Mez

Kristin Kobes Du Mez catapulted to the top of the best-seller list with her book,  Jesus and John Wayne. A leading church historian, joins The FOUR in a real eye-opener for the team. Kristin pulls back the curtain on conservative white evangelical America to give...