Jan 15, 2026
Forgiveness doesn’t erase the past. It changes who gets to control your present.
In this episode of Freelance Writing Direct, Estelle Erasmus talks with filmmaker, writer, and coach Gayle Kirschenbaum and her 102-year-old mother, Mildred Kirschenbaum, about their volatile, funny, and hard-won evolution from conflict to connection. Gayle shares the story behind her debut memoir, Bullied to Besties: A Daughter’s Journey to Forgiveness, including the relentless criticism she grew up with, the physical toll it took, and the moment she realized the only way forward was to stop living as a victim.
The conversation also explores generational silence around feelings, antisemitism and identity, and the surprising way Mildred became Gayle’s most rigorous story consultant, even when she appears as the “villain” in the narrative. It’s a candid look at what forgiveness can mean when the other person doesn’t change, but you do.
In this episode:
How childhood dynamics quietly shape identity, health, and self-trust [5:17]
Why Gayle decided forgiveness was the only way forward [7:55]
Generational silence, emotional truth, and the limits of understanding [10:05]
Structuring a memoir through therapy, flashbacks, and confrontation [15:54]
Mildred’s perspective on her parenting and how intention & impact don’t always align [17:54]
Using journals, letters, and family archives as memoir source material [24:47]
Seeing a parent as a wounded child and how that reframed everything [29:29]
What it looks like to reclaim agency while staying in relationship [30:00]
Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/xQcs4nOjODM
Connect with Gayle and Mildred:
Website: https://www.gaylekirschenbaum.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/glkirschenbaum/?hl=en
Bullied to Besties: A Daughter's Journey To Forgiveness: https://www.gaylekirschenbaum.com/bullied-to-besties
Look At Us Now, Mother!: https://www.gaylekirschenbaum.com/look-at-us-now-mother
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About Estelle
Estelle Erasmus is an award-winning journalist,TEDx Speaker, author of Writing That Gets Noticed, and host of Freelance Writing Direct. An adjunct professor at NYU, her work has appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, WIRED, PBS/Next Avenue, The Independent, and AARP The Magazine. She has served as editor-in-chief of five national magazines.
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