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Dive Deep, Climb High

Focusing on leadership in higher education, Mel Loizou asks her guests to share what leadership means to them. The Dive Deep Climb High podcast is fun, honest, and relatable. It enables you to dive deep into your role and the leader you are.

To climb high, unleashing the power and potential of you and those around you. With inspiring stories, practical tips, and a little bit of fishiness this show will help you realise that sometimes the apparently impossible is absolutely possible. 

Dive Deep. Climb High. Can Do Leadership in a World of Can’t.


Aug 9, 2022

In this episode we dive deep into the world of bad habits, overindulgence, and addiction. As someone who regularly overindulged, Duncan cleaned up his act, when faced with the questions, ‘Do you want another drink, or do you want a child?” As he shares his story, we explore some of the science behind bad habits and how as managers we could inadvertently be encouraging them in our own team.



“You want to reward the team. What do you do? You buy them donuts. That's not a reward, in my opinion, that's a punishment. You know, that's, that's not like something to celebrate. That's something that actually makes you feel less good and makes you less good at your job. So why would you do that? I don't buy people chocolate or wine in the same way that I wouldn't buy them cigarettes or cocaine.”



Duncan has done his fair share of overindulgence, strictly speaking he’s drunk more than his fair share of wine and eaten more than his fair share of cake. Along the way he found himself in some interesting places like on stage with S-Club, a stint as Mayor of his hometown and Morris dancing in Westminster Abbey. After 20 years of over-doing it, he cleaned up his act and trained with the Easyway clinic, the world’s most successful stop smoking service. Now he spends his time helping people push over-indulgence out of their life. He lives in Abingdon with one wife, one daughter and two bonsai trees.


Duncan’s Book: Get Over Indulgence: Take Control Find Your Stress-Free Life *

Get Over Indulgence




This Naked Mind: Control Alcohol, Find Freedom, Discover Happiness & Change Your Life Annie Grace * This Naked Mind


The Biology of Desire: why addiction is not a disease (The Addicted Brain) Marc Lewis * The Biology of Desire









Mel is a Consultant, Coach, Facilitator, Speaker, Podcast Host & Mum. Specialising in leadership and change management in the Higher Education sector, Mel uses her Fish Climb Trees philosophy to help individuals, teams and organisations, shift from that place of believing they can’t, to one where they know they absolutely can.


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