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Dive Deep, Climb High

Focusing on leadership in higher education, Mel Loizou asks her guests to share what leadership means to them. The Dive Deep Climb High podcast is fun, honest, and relatable. It enables you to dive deep into your role and the leader you are.

To climb high, unleashing the power and potential of you and those around you. With inspiring stories, practical tips, and a little bit of fishiness this show will help you realise that sometimes the apparently impossible is absolutely possible. 

Dive Deep. Climb High. Can Do Leadership in a World of Can’t.


Nov 9, 2022

Trigger warning: this episode includes discussion about suicide

In this episode, Neerja shares with us her passion for generational diversity. Driven by personal loss, she is keen to help parents, leaders and businesses understand how different generations view and interact with the world. Acknowledging that some of her knowledge has come through

hindsight, as well as a large amount of research and the experience of having a daughter who lived with depression, Neerja wants her hard-earned wisdom to support others, enabling them to create environments which will allow the younger generation to thrive and flourish.



“Keep reminding yourself that you need to be a mighty generation. And remember it is not so much about knowledge, as it is about communication. Kind, gentle, open communication. Listen more than you talk. Say only 25% of what you want to say, particularly when you are trying to communicate with the next generation.”



A millennial in spirit, with the benefit of hindsight, Neerja Singh calls herself the Seenager or the Senior Teenager. Four generational books, a YouTube channel on gen-next, a professional column on keeping pace with the young, and a signature Generational Quotient Kit, she helps turn generational differences into dividends @work and @home. She has 37 years in media and education, having worked in advertising, public relations, documentary filmmaking, teaching, and feature journalism. Her recent TEDx talk was entitled “The Unaffordable Cost of Generation Gap.” When not busy evangelizing collaboration, ethical cultures, and personal influence models, Neerja plays golf, does inter-city cycling and swims, a kilometre at a time.


Neerja’s Books:

Boomer Bytes & Bummer Rites* Boomer Bytes & Bummer Rites

OK Gen Z: The True Generation* OK Gen Z

No Time to Be Young: 30 Insights into Generational Empathy from the Seenager, Senior Teenager* No Time to be Young


Neerja’s TEDx Talk, The Unaffordable Cost of Generation Gap: 











Mel is a Consultant, Coach, Facilitator, Speaker, Podcast Host & Mum. Specialising in leadership and change management in the Higher Education sector, Mel uses her Fish Climb Trees philosophy to help individuals, teams and organisations, shift from that place of believing they can’t, to one where they know they absolutely can.

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Check out Mel’s Book, When Fish Climb Trees*:  When Fish Climb Trees

Check out Mel’s TEDx Talk, Ditch Your Fishnets, Boost Your Resilience:




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