May 17, 2024
Introduction
So apparently there is some demand for discussion/debate on the
topic of seed oils and health. Dave Feldman (Ep. 9) had considered
doing this at his recent conference, but couldn’t fit in the
time.
He’s since regained interest in the idea, and reached out to
Andreas Eenfeldt and Ted Naiman, who have expressed skepticism.
They replied:
“We decline as we feel this debate is a distraction. The reason is
that we see no good scientific evidence for replacing any source of
added pure fat with another. It's not the right question.”
Since there’s so much interest, and clearly that opinion is not
defensible—probably why they avoided the debate!—Raphael Sirtoli
volunteered to take the con side of a debate, topic:
“Doctors Should Tell Patients that High Linoleic Acid Seed Oils are
Unhealthy”
This was a debate proposition that Raphi had suggested recently,
and it had also been declined. (More about that in a future
episode.)
So, here we are. Please enjoy, and as always, post questions or
comments in the comments below.
The debate on Dave’s YouTube channel is here:
https://www.youtube.com/live/JDsbpAJ28U4?si=4n7mSt56JiQDXTGN
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Show Notes
Pro
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Borén, J., Chapman, M. J., Krauss, R. M., Packard, C. J., Bentzon, J. F., Binder, C. J., Daemen, M. J., Demer, L. L., Hegele, R. A., Nicholls, S. J., Nordestgaard, B. G., Watts, G. F., Bruckert, E., Fazio, S., Ference, B. A., Graham, I., Horton, J. D., Landmesser, U., Laufs, U., … Ginsberg, H. N. (2020). Low-Density Lipoproteins Cause Atherosclerotic Cardiovascular Disease: Pathophysiological, Genetic, and Therapeutic Insights: A Consensus Statement from the European Atherosclerosis Society Consensus Panel. European Heart Journal, 41(24), 2313–2330. https://doi.org/10.1093/eurheartj/ehz962
Con
Arris, F. A., Thai, V. T. S., Manan, W. N., & Sajab, M. S. (2020).
A Revisit to the Formation and Mitigation of
3-Chloropropane-1,2-Diol in Palm Oil Production. Foods, 9(12),
1769. https://doi.org/10.3390/foods9121769
de Lorgeril, M., Renaud, S., Mamelle, N., Salen, P., Martin, J. L., Monjaud, I., Guidollet, J., Touboul, P., & Delaye, J. (1994). Mediterranean Alpha-Linolenic Acid-Rich Diet in Secondary Prevention of Coronary Heart Disease. Lancet (London, England), 343(8911), 1454–1459. https://doi.org/10.1016/s0140-6736(94)92580-1
Ramsden, C. E., Faurot, K. R., Zamora, D., Palsson, O. S., MacIntosh, B. A., Gaylord, S., Taha, A. Y., Rapoport, S. I., Hibbeln, J. R., Davis, J. M., & Mann, J. D. (2015). Targeted alterations in dietary n-3 and n-6 fatty acids improve life functioning and reduce psychological distress among patients with chronic headache: A secondary analysis of a randomized trial. Pain, 156(4), 587–596. https://doi.org/10.1097/01.j.pain.0000460348.84965.47
Ramsden, C. E., Zamora, D., Faurot, K. R., MacIntosh, B., Horowitz, M., Keyes, G. S., Yuan, Z.-X., Miller, V., Lynch, C., Honvoh, G., Park, J., Levy, R., Domenichiello, A. F., Johnston, A., Majchrzak-Hong, S., Hibbeln, J. R., Barrow, D. A., Loewke, J., Davis, J. M., … Mann, J. D. (2021). Dietary Alteration of N-3 and N-6 Fatty Acids for Headache Reduction in Adults with Migraine: Randomized Controlled Trial. BMJ, 374, n1448. https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n1448
Rastogi, T., Reddy, K. S., Vaz, M., Spiegelman, D., Prabhakaran, D., Willett, W. C., Stampfer, M. J., & Ascherio, A. (2004). Diet and risk of ischemic heart disease in India. The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 79(4), 582–592. https://doi.org/10.1093/ajcn/79.4.582
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