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The Roll Down

Feb 22, 2024

This episode is a continuation from the previous episode where we discussed the lead up to, and the closing of, all Lenses offerings in the U.S. in July 2021. In this episode, Alethea and Matthew share more about their experiences in the organization outside of what happened with Lenses, and they’ll explore the impact of these events and practices they utilized to heal. Though their story is specific to the Cru ministry, anyone who has endured religious trauma and/or workplace abuse may benefit from the practical elements they offer.  

Additional Resources:

The Roll Down, Season 1 episodes: “Empathy, Containment and Validation” and “Community & Self-care in the Fight for Justice”

Hosts: Alethea Lamberson & Matthew Meledrez


Engineer: Katie Nguyen Palomares


Designer: Cameron Stingley


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