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Careers and the Business of Law


May 5, 2025

Headed to CLOC? So are E.J. Bastien and David Cowen and this episode is your field guide.

Before you start speed-walking the ARIA hallways and hunting for coffee and co-pilots, listen in. E.J. Bastien has spent two decades at Microsoft reimagining what in-house eDiscovery and litigation support can be. He’s leading teams, building AI agents, and solving tomorrow’s problems with tools that most legal teams haven’t even touched yet.

In this pre-CLOC masterclass, we dig into:

  • How Microsoft is using GenAI to streamline review, code documents, and surface case-critical facts before a human ever sees them
  • What it really means to build a bespoke agent trained on your legal team’s workflows not ChatGPT, but your playbook
  • Why perfectionists are out, and “learn-it-alls” are in and how that mindset shift is the secret to surviving (and thriving) in 2025.

You’ll also hear what it takes to lead with confidence, experiment without fear, and stay grounded in the face of constant change.

It's Vegas. It's CLOC. It’s time to stop chasing answers and start trading playbooks.

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💡To learn more about the future of legal innovation, visit https://cowengroup.com/

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