In this interview, we have a very special guest joining, Missouri Public Defender Laura O'Sullivan. Laura attended her first TLC course in 1998 and came back in 2009 for In Defense of the Damned, TLC's criminal defense program, and joined the faculty shortly after. In this episode, Laura describes the difficulties of being a public defender, what TLC lawyers and other lawyers can do to help their public defenders offices, and how TLC has impacted her practice and life.