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The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast

The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast helps Christian church leaders navigate and lead through the cultural issues of our day by giving voice to recognizable names in ministry, subject matter experts, and local pastors and leaders. Whatever area of ministry you serve in, our goal is to help you lead better every day. Hosted by Ed Stetzer, a new episode is released once a week. Tune in now to gain practical wisdom, engage with thought-provoking discussions, and enhance your church leadership impact!
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Dec 11, 2024

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Barna CEO David Kinnaman joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to share what the research shows about how pastors are doing and how they can most effectively disciple their people.

Nona Jones joined us last week to share what God has taught her about rejection and how she came to see it, not as an enemy, but as a gift. Check out our conversation with her here:

https://churchleaders.com/podcast/501752-nona-jones-rejection-gift-god.html 

 

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Faith for Exiles: 5 Ways for a New Generation to Follow Jesus in Digital Babylon” by David Kinnaman

Barna Group

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State of Pastors Summit

RightNow Conference

"Ex-Christians Aren’t the Only Ones Deconstructing Faith" by Barna Group

Dec 4, 2024

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Nona Jones joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to share what God has taught her about rejection and how she came to see it, not as an enemy, but as a gift. 

Dr. Jody Dean joined us last week to explain why church administration is an essential part of ministry and how, far from taking away from ministry’s personal side, administration supports and empowers pastoral care.

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https://churchleaders.com/podcast/501014-jody-dean-church-administration.html 

 

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The Gift of Rejection: Harness Your Pain To Propel Your Purpose” by Nona Jones

Open Door Church

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Nov 27, 2024

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Dr. Jody Dean joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to explain why church administration is an essential part of ministry and how, far from taking away from ministry’s personal side, administration supports and empowers pastoral care.

Rev. Dr. John Dickson joined us last week to discuss the historical impact of Christianity, the importance of acknowledging the church's failures as well as its contributions, and how Christians should engage with culture today.

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https://churchleaders.com/podcast/500763-john-dickson-good-evil-church-history.html 

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Managing the Ministry: A Practical Guide to Church Administration” by Dr. Jody Dean

New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary

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Nov 20, 2024

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Rev. Dr. John Dickson joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to discuss the historical impact of Christianity, the importance of acknowledging the church's failures as well as its contributions, and how Christians should engage with culture today.

Mike Cosper joined us last week where, drawing on the work of Hannah Arendt, he explained the dangers of ideological movements within the church and shared how church leaders can resist being captivated by anything other than the gospel. Check out our conversation with him here: 

https://churchleaders.com/podcast/500594-mike-cosper-church-leaders-resist-banality-evil.html 

 

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Bullies and Saints: An Honest Look at the Good and Evil of Christian History” by Rev. Dr. John Dickson

A Doubter's Guide to World Religions: A Fair and Friendly Introduction to the History, Beliefs, and Practices of the Big Five” by Rev. Dr. John Dickson 

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Nov 13, 2024

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Mike Cosper joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” where, drawing on the work of Hannah Arendt, he explains the dangers of ideological movements within the church and shares how church leaders can resist being captivated by anything other than the gospel.

Rev. Dr. Chris Adams joined us last week to discuss the critical intersection of mental health and ministry, emphasizing the special role church leaders play in helping other people's mental health and the unique challenges pastors face with their own. Check out our conversation with him here:

https://churchleaders.com/podcast/500253-chris-adams-pastors-helping-mental-health.html 

 

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The Church in Dark Times: Understanding and Resisting the Evil That Seduced the Evangelical Movement” by Mike Cosper

"The Bulletin" on Christianity Today

"The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill" on Christianity Today

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Nov 6, 2024

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Rev. Dr. Chris Adams joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to discuss the critical intersection of mental health and ministry, emphasizing the special role church leaders play in helping other people's mental health and the unique challenges pastors face with their own.

Mark Matlock joined us last week to share what the data shows about the “spiritually curious,” the distinctions between this group and other non-Christians, and how to engage with the spiritually curious effectively. Check out our conversation with him here:

https://churchleaders.com/podcast/499840-mark-matlock-pastors-spiritually-curious.html 

 

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Flourishing in Ministry

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Oct 30, 2024

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Mark Matlock joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to share what the data shows about the “spiritually curious,” the distinctions between this group and other non-Christians, and how to engage with the spiritually curious effectively.

Dr. Sean McDowell and Dr. Timothy Muehlhoff joined us last week to discuss the challenges of navigating disagreements in today's polarized culture, emphasizing the importance of empathy, truth, and building relationships. Check out our conversation with them here:

https://churchleaders.com/podcast/499474-sean-mcdowell-timothy-muehlhoff-church-leaders-cancel-culture.html 

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Faith for the Curious: How an Era of Spiritual Openness Shapes the Way We Live and Help Others Follow Jesus” by Mark Matlock

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Oct 23, 2024

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Dr. Sean McDowell and Dr. Timothy Muehlhoff join “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to discuss the challenges of navigating disagreements in today's polarized culture, highlighting the importance of empathy, truth, and building relationships. 

Beth Moore joined us last week to explore the art of compelling Bible teaching. She emphasized the importance of a teacher’s relationship with God and addressed the nuts and bolts of preparation, as well as the role of criticism in a teacher's journey. Check out our conversation with her here:

https://churchleaders.com/podcast/498960-beth-moore-bible-teaching.html 

 

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End the Stalemate: Move Past Cancel Culture to Meaningful Conversations” by Dr. Sean McDowell and Dr. Timothy Muehlhoff

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Oct 16, 2024

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Beth Moore joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to discuss the art of compelling Bible teaching. She emphasizes the importance of a teacher’s relationship with God and addresses the nuts and bolts of preparation, as well as the role of criticism in a teacher's journey. 

Lysa TerKeurst joined us last week to discuss how to navigate trust issues in relationships, particularly in the context of church leadership. She also addresses the topic of church hurt and shares how ministry leaders can lead with sensitivity while still maintaining healthy boundaries. Check out our conversation with her here:

https://churchleaders.com/podcast/498523-lysa-terkeurst-respond-trust-broken.html

 

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Living Proof Ministries

Living Proof Live

RightNowPastors+

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Oct 9, 2024

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Lysa TerKeurst joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to discuss how to navigate trust issues in relationships, particularly in the context of church leadership. She also addresses the topic of church hurt and shares how ministry leaders can lead with sensitivity while still maintaining healthy boundaries.

Dave Ferguson joined us last week to share how church leaders can go beyond holding evangelistic events and actually build a culture of outreach in their congregations. Check out our conversation with him here:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dave-ferguson-the-key-steps-to-building-a/id988990685?i=1000671498041 

 

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I Want to Trust You, but I Don't: Moving Forward When You’re Skeptical of Others, Afraid of What God Will Allow, and Doubtful of Your Own Discernment” by Lysa TerKeurst

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Oct 2, 2024

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Dave Ferguson joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to share how church leaders can go beyond holding evangelistic events and actually build a culture of outreach in their congregations.

Eric Geiger joined us last week to discuss key elements of church leadership, including mission, vision and strategy–and the importance of not confusing them with one another. 

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https://churchleaders.com/podcast/497425-eric-geiger-values-drive-behavior.html 

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BLESS: 5 Everyday Ways to Love Your Neighbor and Change the World" by Dave Ferguson and Jon Ferguson

The BLESS app

Community Christian Church

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Sep 25, 2024

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Eric Geiger joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to discuss key elements of church leadership, including mission, vision and strategy–and the importance of not confusing them with one another. 

Dr. D.A. Carson joined us last week to talk about the origins of The Gospel Coalition, the importance of a theological vision for ministry, and leadership lessons from 1 Corinthians. Check out our conversation with him here:

https://churchleaders.com/podcast/496480-d-a-carson-tgc-theological-vision-ministry.html 

 

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Mariners Church

Designed to Lead: The Church and Leadership Development” by Eric Geiger and Kevin Peck


Simple Church: Returning to God's Process for Making Disciples” by Eric Geiger and Thom Rainer

RightNowPastors+

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Sep 18, 2024

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Dr. D.A. Carson joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to talk about the origins of The Gospel Coalition, the importance of a theological vision for ministry, and leadership lessons from 1 Corinthians.

Dr. Crawford Loritts joined us last week to talk about the key traits of leaders who are not only influential but who also last in ministry. Check out our conversation with him here:

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The Cross and Christian Ministry: Leadership Lessons from 1 Corinthians” by Dr. D.A. Carson


"Worship by the Book" by Rev. Mark Ashton, R. Kent Hughes, Dr. Timothy Keller, Ed. Dr. D.A. Carson

The Gospel Coalition

 

Sep 11, 2024

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Dr. Crawford Loritts joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to talk about the key traits of leaders who are not only influential but who also last in ministry.

Kay Warren and Glen Bloomstrom joined us last week to discuss the crucial part church leaders play in helping people battle suicide and how those in ministry can take action to be equipped for this fight. Check out our conversation with them here:

https://churchleaders.com/podcast/493644-kay-warren-glen-bloomstrom-church-leaders-suicide.html

 

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Beyond Our Generation


Leadership as an Identity: The Four Traits of Those Who Wield Lasting Influence” by Dr. Crawford Loritts


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Sep 4, 2024

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Kay Warren and Glen Bloomstrom join “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to discuss the crucial part church leaders play in helping people battle suicide and how those in ministry can take action to be equipped for this fight.

Rich Villodas joined us last week to discuss what it means to follow Jesus on the narrow path and the dangers pastors face as they do so.

https://churchleaders.com/podcast/492859-rich-villodas-pitfalls-pastors-narrow-path-jesus.html 

 

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Aug 28, 2024

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Rich Villodas joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to discuss what it means to follow Jesus on his narrow path and the dangers pastors face as they do so.

Dr. J.D. Greear joined us last week to share insights into how pastors can navigate this election year well and be clear on biblical truths without directing their congregations on how to vote. Check out our conversation with him here: https://churchleaders.com/podcast/492291-j-d-greear-pastors-remember-election-year.html 

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The Narrow Path: How the Subversive Way of Jesus Satisfies Our Souls” by Rich Villodas

"The Deeply Formed Life: Five Transformative Values to Root Us in the Way of Jesus" by Rich Villodas

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Aug 21, 2024

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Dr. J.D. Greear returns the Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast to share insights into how pastors can navigate this election year well and be clear on biblical truths without telling their congregations how to vote. 

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Aug 14, 2024

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Max Lucado joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to discuss what he believes about the end times and how he and his elders have navigated Max changing his views on secondary doctrines.

Priscilla Shirer joined us last week to discuss being a true disciple of Jesus, the importance of accountability for church leaders, and her new movie, “The Forge.” Check out our conversation with her here:

https://churchleaders.com/podcast/491149-priscilla-shirer-church-leaders-mentorship-accountability.html

 

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What Happens Next: A Traveler’s Guide Through the End of This Age” by Max Lucado
"In the Grip of Grace: Your Father Always Caught You. He Still Does." by Max Lucado
"The United Church in a Divided World" by Max Lucado

Oak Hills Church

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Aug 7, 2024

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Priscilla Shirer joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to discuss being a true disciple of Jesus, the importance of accountability for church leaders, and her new movie, “The Forge.”

Dr. Tod Bolsinger joined us last week to explain the common mistakes even good leaders make during a crisis and how church leaders can be prepared to face a crisis when–not if–one comes.

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https://churchleaders.com/podcast/490731-tod-bolsinger-trying-harder-crisis.html 

 

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I Surrender All” by Priscilla Shirer

Radiant: His Light, Your Life” by Priscilla Shirer

"The Forge" movie

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Jul 31, 2024

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Dr. Tod Bolsinger joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to explain the common mistakes even good leaders make during a crisis and how church leaders can be prepared to face a crisis when–not if–one comes.

Sam Allberry joined us last week to share what he learned when his church had biblical teaching, but the gospel didn’t seem to be permeating the culture. Sam explains how pastors can have orthodox preaching while also promoting a culture of “gospel safety.” Check out our conversation with him here:

https://churchleaders.com/podcast/490194-sam-allberry-avoid-unpreaching-gospel.html 

 

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How Not to Waste a Crisis: Quit Trying Harder” by Dr. Tod Bolsinger

"Canoeing the Mountains: Christian Leadership in Uncharted Territory" by Dr. Tod Bolsinger

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Jul 24, 2024

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Sam Allberry joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to share what he learned when his church had biblical teaching, but the gospel didn’t seem to be permeating the culture. Sam explains how pastors can have orthodox preaching while also promoting a culture of “gospel safety.”

Brad Hill joined us last week to explain just how valuable a resource the internet can be for pastors and why digital ministry is not merely an on-ramp to get people into church.

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"You're Not Crazy: Gospel Sanity for Weary Churches" by Sam Allberry and Ray Ortlund

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Jul 17, 2024

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Brad Hill joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to explain just how valuable a resource the internet can be for pastors and why digital ministry is not merely an on-ramp to get people into church.

Dr. Benjamin Conner joined us last week to share lessons God has taught him about doing ministry alongside people with disabilities and the steps church leaders can take to be supportive of that community. Check out our conversation with him here:

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Gloo

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Jul 10, 2024

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Dr. Benjamin Conner joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to share lessons God has taught him about doing ministry alongside people with disabilities and the steps church leaders can take to be supportive of that community. 

Rev. Dr. Justyn Terry joined us last week to discuss what leaders need to know about key aspects of leadership, including establishing trust, developing a vision statement, and remaining faithful in the everyday tasks that come with the job. Check out our conversation with him here:

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Symposium on Disability in Ministry

Center for Disability and Ministry at Western Theological Seminary

Jul 3, 2024

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Rev. Dr. Justyn Terry joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to discuss what leaders need to know about key aspects of leadership, including establishing trust, developing a vision statement, and remaining faithful in the everyday tasks that come with the job.

Justin Brierley joined us last week to share how he has seen the New Atheism decline over the years and what church leaders need to know about the fresh openness people have to spirituality. Check out our conversation with him here:

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The Five Phases of Leadership: An Overview for Christian Leaders" by Rev. Dr. Justyn Terry.

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Wycliffe Hall

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Jun 26, 2024

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Justin Brierley joins “The Stetzer ChurchLeaders Podcast” to share how he has seen the New Atheism decline over the years and what church leaders need to know about the fresh openness people have to spirituality.

Last week, Daniel Im joined us to explain how pastors can lead more effectively in a “post-everything” world and why their communities contain more than just the non-Christians and the Christians. Check out our conversation with him here:

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The Surprising Rebirth of Belief in God: Why New Atheism Grew Old and Secular Thinkers Are Considering Christianity Again” by Justin Brierley

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